"Eve is a game driven by consequences for actions."

Yet the suicide gankers have no consequence. Being destroyed yet refunded for your losses is not a consequence of any meaning.

Let's look at it this way, people are able to fill freighters up with battleships and modules, pick an area, go there and gank the hell out of the miners there, all they need is a ganking character and character to give it the ship. That people can do this just goes to show that EVE is a game of consequences, but only if you're a miner.

Why do threads like this get so big? Because half the people posting are gankers who don't want their insurance payout taken away. They preach lines like "EVE is hardcore" "You're not safe anywhere, always at risk" But that's not true, there is a group of people who take no risk atall, and that is the gankers, there is no risk in what they do, they break even or sometimes profit, they risk nothing to do a suicide gank. They will die, they know this, they also know that insurance will pay the bill.

Insurance payout for suicide ganking is a really stupid feature.

The gankers lose sec status. That is a very significant and limiting consequence, if you don't think so, try ratting yourself up from -10 then come back and talk.

The consequence for the carebear carelessly flying a gankworthy ship is that they get ganked.
The consequence for the ganker is that they now need to raise their sec status or start paying for an alt.

Oh look, consequences are driving the game

GǪapart from the bits that were just uninformed nonsense GÇö viz. all of it.

If you are seeing people ganking in highsec without losing sec status then you should report it as an exploit. That would be an example of circumventing the consequences.

Nobody said -10s cant get you still, its just not as easy.

Do their ships end up getting blown up by concord or faction police? If yes then they didn't circumvent the consequences. If no then you should petition it as an exploit.

I agree. Nerf concord.

GÇ£Gankers have no consequencesGÇ¥ GÇö uninformed drivel. Ganking has plenty of consequences. It's just that the gankers are willing to deal with them (unlike the gankees) and that the gankees choose to give the gankers a free pass.

GÇ£Being destroyed yet refunded for your losses is not a consequence of any meaning.GÇ¥ GÇö uninformed drivel. Losses are not refunded, and do indeed have some meaning. This is amply and trivially proven by the rarity of ganks.

GÇ£that people can do this just goes to show that EVE is a game of consequences, but only if you're a miner.GÇ¥ GÇö uniformed drivel. Everything has consequences, and miners are most likely facing the least amount of them due to the simplicity of what they're doing.

GÇ£Why do threads like this get so big? Because half the people posting are gankers who don't want their insurance payout taken away.GÇ¥ GÇö uninformed drivel. The threads get this big because the self-proclaimed victims are utterly and completely unable to explain what's wrong and why things should change, and instead go on entitlement-fuelled rants about how legitimate gameplay should be removed for undisclosed reasons.

GÇ£They will die, they know this, they also know that insurance will pay the bill.GÇ¥ GÇö uninformed drivel. Insurance does not pay the bill (unless you have some particularly clueless miner/industrialist providing you with the tools).

How about if I'm seeing -10s entering high sec

You do understand that nerfing CONCORD would making the universe very cold and harsh for the gankers, right?

Loss of assets, loss of standings, loss of time, kill rights.

The ganker is worse off

They refund part of the ship cost. There's still loss.

Irrelevant. The question is does a single miner sustain that many losses? Again, the question is: how often does he lose his ship and how much does he earn? What is his cost of doing business. Yes, the ganker loses more ships, but he also earns lessGǪ in fact, if he runs about all day long, day after day, then chances are that he's not earning anything at all, which means the miner definitely comes out ahead.

I still don't understand why you think miners should be able to gather resources without facing any risk. Why does the ganker's loss need to be comparable to the miner's?

Really? Prove it

GǪsuch as?

The ganker is worse off

What are you going to ask for when that doesn't stop people from ganking miners in highsec?

The only reason you see us comment on it is because we're drawn to any thread where this is this much whining.

For the "poor helpless miners" out there - you have a directional scanner - use it. When you're mining, stay aligned to a warp-out spot and constantly check your directional scanner. When you see a brutix or thrasher gang inbound, simply WARP OUT. Problem solved.